Master of Sex
HI all there is a sauna club open in Shannon holding couples we need this in Ireland and do you think the "red tops", Sunday World etc., helped by the "god squad" will try and close it down
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i was introduced to the swing world bout 10 years ago in an actual swing club in dublin,yes u read that right we did have them 
Was a great one actually, themed rooms, sauna, jacuzzi's ,dark rooms changing areas all of the requirements, but then a certain well known sunday paper,got hold of it, and did one of their usual gutter exposés on it,sex and perverts ect ect ect, end result management had to close it down because it was been used for other functions as well and all their other business suddenly dried up.
Although i would love to see another one,my gut feeling is, they would not be left alone to go about this business, sex sells papers unfortunately.
Was a great one actually, themed rooms, sauna, jacuzzi's ,dark rooms changing areas all of the requirements, but then a certain well known sunday paper,got hold of it, and did one of their usual gutter exposés on it,sex and perverts ect ect ect, end result management had to close it down because it was been used for other functions as well and all their other business suddenly dried up.
Although i would love to see another one,my gut feeling is, they would not be left alone to go about this business, sex sells papers unfortunately. Yes sunday world, I notice that even though they expose us "miscreants and perverts", they make most of their revenue by advertising sex lines near the back of their paper.
But you can never win an argument with an SW reporter, just look at what they did to Larry Murphy's brother. An innocent man was accused by the SW to be planning to house the beast, a totally untrue report, which in turn alienated the innocent man and his family even further within the community. The media ombudsman should be on their case permanently. Its just a gossip mag based on rumour.
Oh and Slightly, we also attended that club a couple of times and we loved it too. Shame its gone.
If I ever win the lotto I would set one up as a private members club with an annual fee, therefore the law could not oppose it as thats the loophole within swing clubs may be operated.
Master of Sex
Alicolwic
"If I ever win the lotto I would set one up as a private members club with an annual fee, therefore the law could not oppose it as thats the loophole within swing clubs may be operated."
That I believe is what they are trying to do...
SS cant have been 10 years ago you must have been only 16 :therethere:
You might find the following of interest: it is not directly related to the thread topic but it does go a little towards discussing why there is a shortage of genuine swinger venues. The article itself was written in a comparative form between the perceived tolerance of gay sex venues and the heterosexual alternative in the UK. Please do not misinterpret the intention of the article, it is simply showing the tolerance of two minorities, homosexuals and swingers, and should never be read in a homophobic tone.
The proprietor of a swingers’ club in Nevern, Pembrokeshire – a former major in the Army – was convicted and fined £2000 for keeping a brothel and living off immoral earnings because he allowed ordinary swingers activities. There was no suggestion of prostitution. He pleaded guilty “because he had not wanted to embarrass friends by asking them to give evidenceâ€.
The chairman of the magistrates had said
“We regard this as a very serious caseâ€
but took into consideration that he had co-operated. The victim closed the business and went elsewhere. Dyfed-Powys Police had succeeded in running swingers off their patch. Meanwhile, FI*T (venue name with-held, an event aimed towards the homosexual demographic) was enjoying its 5th year of same sex orgies.
‘Living off immoral earnings’ is a particularly cruel charge to use in suppressing swingers. The imputation of actual prostitution is particularly humiliating especially for female swingers, who tend to be respectable married or professional women. It was the charge used to pass a nine month sentence on the husband of Liverpudlian porn actress Sabrina Johnson in 1996 (even though her films were made in the USA). Mrs Johnson commented
“It’s illegal for my husband to live off my earnings, because technically, if I do films, I’m classed as a prostitute, and my husband is a pimp…I can live off my work, but if I bought Graham a drink in a pub, he could be done again for living off immoral
In June 2003 a photographer’s model in Warrington was raided and her husband cautioned for living off immoral earnings because the police considered his wife’s adult modelling to be prostitution. After the case the police handed back commercial porn videos taken in raids but the victim’s videos of his wife were never returned. It appears that in the UK it is legal for a husband to possess videos of other people having sex but not his own wife.
The government is obliged by the European Convention on Human rights not only to respect the privacy of women’s and swingers private lives but also to grant women and swingers the same rights as gays (Article 14). The practice is that swingers clubs get busted but none of the thousands of UK gay pubs and clubs ever do, despite the same activities that swingers practice being undertaken on a higher scale in gay establishments. In consequence there is a huge gay leisure industry but the swingers scene is forced to remain underground.
A defence could be that the police live and let live and are only forced to take action when complaints are made. This would be disingenuous and would not fit the facts. The police act on complaints against swingers but do not and would not act on complaints against gays because after centuries of brutal discrimination they are now a politically favoured minority.
When a complaint was made about FI*T (after nine years of events) the result was a gentle word of advice more in sorrow than in anger and no talk of charges. And rightly so – how could someone visit such a place without knowing what to expect? The idea that the unwary would have their sensibilities shocked is ludicrous.
Compare this with what happened at the G*** of E*** swingers club in Nevern. A woman, having heard tales of orgies, decided to visit the club after enquiring and being told that ‘anything goes’ with couples, lesbians, homosexuals and transvestites meeting there. She and her sister were collected from their home 60 miles away by a driver employed by the club. However, she was supposedly so shocked at finding 20 people having group sex in the swimming pool that she reported the matter to police and the owner was fined £2000. The difference between what happened to the G*** of E*** and what happened to FI*T when complaints were made is the measure of how swingers are oppressed in Britain.
It may be true that gay sex clubs could in theory function simply as saunas. But to see them as such requires considerable disingenuity. Firstly as regards the way they are designed (“giant communal cruise room†“40 man steam room†“Cinema roomâ€); the way they are advertised (in gay magazines illustrated with pictures of naked and attractive men using ambiguous adjectives such as ‘friendly’ ’steamy’ etc); the way they are operated (condoms and lubricating creams are often available free; disposal bins are provided in ‘rest rooms’); and of course what happens in them. Officialdom has to pretend to be blind to general social knowledge as well as to easily available print and Internet media to maintain these are not sex clubs. It may be argued that men require less frills, less aesthetic surroundings to function sexually to fulfilment.
The contrast with the preferred environment of the female swinger could not be more pronounced. Female swingers demand uplifting premises with soft and inviting play spaces, flattering lighting and proper beds instead of clinical couches, mattresses or empty rooms. In short, something approximating to the standard continental swingers club.
So the current state of the law, approving sex clubs configured as sauna clubs while prohibiting sex clubs configured as swinging clubs, amounts in reality to sexist discrimination against women. The legal ’sauna’ format is close to ideal for most gay sex club clientele while the illegal ’swinger club’ format is close to necessary for most female and heterosexual sex club clientele. It is a clear case of discrimination whether intended or not and a violation of the human rights of women.
Swinging is a safe, international, middle class and increasingly popular leisure choice for married and courting couples.
Research has shown clear benefits in terms of personal happiness and relationship stability among regular swingers and suggests that the rate of relationship failure in swinging is several orders less than for monogamous relationships.
Current criticism of swinging appears to be based on religious prejudice rather than study. The law as regards swingers is an utter disgrace. Though not applied severely enough to suppress all swinging activity, it is repressive enough to keep swinging underground and prevent businesses meeting the growing demand for swingers’ facilities. The implications of the Human Rights Act 1998, with its requirements for respect and equal treatment for women and sexual minorities, have not been realised for swingers. The government’s similar but higher obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights are ignored.
The proprietor of a swingers’ club in Nevern, Pembrokeshire – a former major in the Army – was convicted and fined £2000 for keeping a brothel and living off immoral earnings because he allowed ordinary swingers activities. There was no suggestion of prostitution. He pleaded guilty “because he had not wanted to embarrass friends by asking them to give evidenceâ€.
The chairman of the magistrates had said
“We regard this as a very serious caseâ€
but took into consideration that he had co-operated. The victim closed the business and went elsewhere. Dyfed-Powys Police had succeeded in running swingers off their patch. Meanwhile, FI*T (venue name with-held, an event aimed towards the homosexual demographic) was enjoying its 5th year of same sex orgies.
‘Living off immoral earnings’ is a particularly cruel charge to use in suppressing swingers. The imputation of actual prostitution is particularly humiliating especially for female swingers, who tend to be respectable married or professional women. It was the charge used to pass a nine month sentence on the husband of Liverpudlian porn actress Sabrina Johnson in 1996 (even though her films were made in the USA). Mrs Johnson commented
“It’s illegal for my husband to live off my earnings, because technically, if I do films, I’m classed as a prostitute, and my husband is a pimp…I can live off my work, but if I bought Graham a drink in a pub, he could be done again for living off immoral
In June 2003 a photographer’s model in Warrington was raided and her husband cautioned for living off immoral earnings because the police considered his wife’s adult modelling to be prostitution. After the case the police handed back commercial porn videos taken in raids but the victim’s videos of his wife were never returned. It appears that in the UK it is legal for a husband to possess videos of other people having sex but not his own wife.
The government is obliged by the European Convention on Human rights not only to respect the privacy of women’s and swingers private lives but also to grant women and swingers the same rights as gays (Article 14). The practice is that swingers clubs get busted but none of the thousands of UK gay pubs and clubs ever do, despite the same activities that swingers practice being undertaken on a higher scale in gay establishments. In consequence there is a huge gay leisure industry but the swingers scene is forced to remain underground.
A defence could be that the police live and let live and are only forced to take action when complaints are made. This would be disingenuous and would not fit the facts. The police act on complaints against swingers but do not and would not act on complaints against gays because after centuries of brutal discrimination they are now a politically favoured minority.
When a complaint was made about FI*T (after nine years of events) the result was a gentle word of advice more in sorrow than in anger and no talk of charges. And rightly so – how could someone visit such a place without knowing what to expect? The idea that the unwary would have their sensibilities shocked is ludicrous.
Compare this with what happened at the G*** of E*** swingers club in Nevern. A woman, having heard tales of orgies, decided to visit the club after enquiring and being told that ‘anything goes’ with couples, lesbians, homosexuals and transvestites meeting there. She and her sister were collected from their home 60 miles away by a driver employed by the club. However, she was supposedly so shocked at finding 20 people having group sex in the swimming pool that she reported the matter to police and the owner was fined £2000. The difference between what happened to the G*** of E*** and what happened to FI*T when complaints were made is the measure of how swingers are oppressed in Britain.
It may be true that gay sex clubs could in theory function simply as saunas. But to see them as such requires considerable disingenuity. Firstly as regards the way they are designed (“giant communal cruise room†“40 man steam room†“Cinema roomâ€); the way they are advertised (in gay magazines illustrated with pictures of naked and attractive men using ambiguous adjectives such as ‘friendly’ ’steamy’ etc); the way they are operated (condoms and lubricating creams are often available free; disposal bins are provided in ‘rest rooms’); and of course what happens in them. Officialdom has to pretend to be blind to general social knowledge as well as to easily available print and Internet media to maintain these are not sex clubs. It may be argued that men require less frills, less aesthetic surroundings to function sexually to fulfilment.
The contrast with the preferred environment of the female swinger could not be more pronounced. Female swingers demand uplifting premises with soft and inviting play spaces, flattering lighting and proper beds instead of clinical couches, mattresses or empty rooms. In short, something approximating to the standard continental swingers club.
So the current state of the law, approving sex clubs configured as sauna clubs while prohibiting sex clubs configured as swinging clubs, amounts in reality to sexist discrimination against women. The legal ’sauna’ format is close to ideal for most gay sex club clientele while the illegal ’swinger club’ format is close to necessary for most female and heterosexual sex club clientele. It is a clear case of discrimination whether intended or not and a violation of the human rights of women.
Swinging is a safe, international, middle class and increasingly popular leisure choice for married and courting couples.
Research has shown clear benefits in terms of personal happiness and relationship stability among regular swingers and suggests that the rate of relationship failure in swinging is several orders less than for monogamous relationships.
Current criticism of swinging appears to be based on religious prejudice rather than study. The law as regards swingers is an utter disgrace. Though not applied severely enough to suppress all swinging activity, it is repressive enough to keep swinging underground and prevent businesses meeting the growing demand for swingers’ facilities. The implications of the Human Rights Act 1998, with its requirements for respect and equal treatment for women and sexual minorities, have not been realised for swingers. The government’s similar but higher obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights are ignored.
Though I do remember a meet and greet organised a few years ago on this site in a certain hotel, where people heard about it and rang the hotel asking for the room rate for "da swingers site meet".
If you do organise one, you might need to make sure you avoid the hard of learning among the brethern !
Midnight hon ,No need to be sorry pet, that was a super post,well said,Ireland,and part's of britin it would seem..need to drag themselves into the 21'st centuriry,yea deffo, sex sells the SW, god help us if their the people to guide our lives 
I have to wonder tho if the BF of a page 3 girl is living off imoral eairnings?? is the Sun promiting loose morals????:O sorry for the bad spelling...thats what happens when your a deviant
I have to wonder tho if the BF of a page 3 girl is living off imoral eairnings?? is the Sun promiting loose morals????:O sorry for the bad spelling...thats what happens when your a deviant Interesting contribution there midnightchat. The article says there was no question of prostitution at the club mentioned but a lot of these places in the UK do employ a lady or two to give single guys the chance to "book in" if thats what they want to do. Its not the main purpose of the club but its a sideline and helps pay the bills. In contrast, gay saunas probably have no need for a service like that as I'd imagine everyone goes home happy . Not sure its any kind of institutional bias against genuine swingers per se , just the ways of the world lol. In any case they are fairly relaxed about actually enforcing the law over there in some parts which probably wouldnt be the case here.
Master of Sex
Interesting post there Midnight really contributed to the thread, just to say there is a sauna open in Shannon which has been catering to the gay community and the owners want to break into mainstream action (couples etc.). We have been there and its a lovely clean place but were wondering if Ireland is ready for one yet. There are plenty of gay saunas going and have been for a good few years now so it will be interesting if Shannon gets the support of the swinging community or will, like midnight says get all the attention of the authorities and be forced to close or revert back to catering exclusivity for the gay community where they will get no hassle from the authorities. The results seem to say people want one you all for your contributions and keep them coming.
Master of Sex
Anyone heading to the couples night tomorrow night??? Would like some company lol
aye agree there should be one i went to the private club in birmigham which was very interesting but again this is holy catholic ireland and those red top newpapers would have an orgasam over this "pun intended" things will change. Ireland is becoming more liberal, now that we have moved away from the church we are free to chart or own future and not have it imposed by catholic guilt.
but again this is holy catholic ireland and those red top newpapers would have an orgasam over this "pun intended" things will change. Ireland is becoming more liberal, now that we have moved away from the church we are free to chart or own future and not have it imposed by catholic guilt. 