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I think being "gay" is not 1 condition (I mean a metaphysical/existential condition, not a medical one), but several different conditions, whose symptoms/outward signs have the common element of being attracted to the same sex, but whose cause varies. I see it as there being three kinds (which are fundamentally different from each other). (I'll mainly look at male homosexuality)
First, there is a same-sex attraction that is ingrained in the very genes. In this type, there is the campness and men's close affinity to women. It so deep in the psyche, that it almost like women in a man's body. There are certain ticks, such as the swivelling of the head, high pitch voicing and different motor-function to regular males (movement in walk and gait is different).
Second, there is that which is caused be deep psychological traumas at a very young age, up to 3 years of age. In this case, it "psychotic", in the sense, it is a deeply embedded neurosis. This may be caused by stumbling in a room with your parents having sex or an alcoholic parent that distorts and confuses one's very fundamental well-being. In this second case, the person doesn't have the campness of other homosexuals. You wouldn't recognise it, apart from certain signs such as expressions of nausea towards the sexual organs of the opposite sex and of a heightened affinity with the opposite sex.
Third, there is the culturally-induced homosexuality. It is a lifestyle choice driven by circumstances. Some people in prison for example "turn gay" due to lack of female company or others turn gay because they are tired of the way people of the opposite sex treat them. This type may not have a strong a cause as the previous two, but once a person, who goes down the road, there is little coming back, as the fundamental changes to a person's fundamental sense of self and sexual identity would be altered, almost to the degree of the 2nd type.
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Not my words but i thought it was interesting
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Second, there is that which is caused be deep psychological traumas at a very young age, up to 3 years of age. In this case, it "psychotic", in the sense, it is a deeply embedded neurosis. This may be caused by stumbling in a room with your parents having sex or an alcoholic parent that distorts and confuses one's very fundamental well-being. In this second case, the person doesn't have the campness of other homosexuals. You wouldn't recognise it, apart from certain signs such as expressions of nausea towards the sexual organs of the opposite sex and of a heightened affinity with the opposite sex.
The above part to my mind is a complete load of crap, i seen my parents shagging before daddy got locked up lol and i was under three and then i seen mammy shagging my new "uncles" it didn't put me off the opposite sex, far from it, it made me realise that sex wasn't a bad thing and all men weren't dirty and something to be scared of. I discovered i was attracted to females around 5 years of age and i had had my first kiss with a boy by then and liked it lol. So seeing my parents shagging didn't turn me bi, and neither did been abused at six and a half.
I class my self as bi selective, because i don't want to shag women all the time, i love cock too much, but if the right female comes along i am well up for it.
So i think that blasts who ever wrote that load of crap theory out of the water from a females point of view.
Sex God
Total and utter Bollocks.
As someone that knows some gay people, and having studied human behavior on a lot of levels over the years, I can honestly say this is a pile of manure, and as Alan Ball said no doubt written by someone with they're head in the clouds.
First, there is a same-sex attraction that is ingrained in the very genes. In this type, there is the campness and men's close affinity to women. It so deep in the psyche, that it almost like women in a man's body. There are certain ticks, such as the swivelling of the head, high pitch voicing and different motor-function to regular males (movement in walk and gait is different).
This is Stereotypical rubbish, I wonder what the author makes of women who dress in male clothing
Camp is not engrained in a male psyche, it is a choice, a prefernece for declaring 'hey I am I gay and I don't give a shit'!
Given the harsh treatment of homosexual males in society over the years, it is not surprising that many males choose to be so obviously gay???
This is Stereotypical rubbish, I wonder what the author makes of women who dress in male clothing
Camp is not engrained in a male psyche, it is a choice, a prefernece for declaring 'hey I am I gay and I don't give a shit'!
Given the harsh treatment of homosexual males in society over the years, it is not surprising that many males choose to be so obviously gay???
I don't know this chap well, but i know him well enough to know he's fairly intelligent in the intellect and the practical sense. In my opinion some of what he's saying is spot on but its written in a very scientific garble way which leads us to think he's head is up he's arse, but its not. The first section i totally agree with. Camp is not put on some maybe with some attention seeking twats it is, but the majority of it just comes natural to Fem blokes. Its in the jeans as they say.
Camp is not engrained in a male psyche, it is a choice, a prefernece for declaring 'hey I am I gay and I don't give a shit'!
Given the harsh treatment of homosexual males in society over the years, it is not surprising that many males choose to be so obviously gay???
I don't know this chap well, but i know him well enough to know he's fairly intelligent in the intellect and the practical sense. In my opinion some of what he's saying is spot on but its written in a very scientific garble way which leads us to think he's head is up he's arse, but its not. The first section i totally agree with. Camp is not put on some maybe with some attention seeking twats it is, but the majority of it just comes natural to Fem blokes. Its in the jeans as they say.
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Not my words but i thought it was interesting
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Second, there is that which is caused be deep psychological traumas at a very young age, up to 3 years of age. In this case, it "psychotic", in the sense, it is a deeply embedded neurosis. This may be caused by stumbling in a room with your parents having sex or an alcoholic parent that distorts and confuses one's very fundamental well-being. In this second case, the person doesn't have the campness of other homosexuals. You wouldn't recognise it, apart from certain signs such as expressions of nausea towards the sexual organs of the opposite sex and of a heightened affinity with the opposite sex.
The above part to my mind is a complete load of crap, i seen my parents shagging before daddy got locked up lol and i was under three and then i seen mammy shagging my new "uncles" it didn't put me off the opposite sex, far from it, it made me realise that sex wasn't a bad thing and all men weren't dirty and something to be scared of. I discovered i was attracted to females around 5 years of age and i had had my first kiss with a boy by then and liked it lol. So seeing my parents shagging didn't turn me bi, and neither did been abused at six and a half.
I class my self as bi selective, because i don't want to shag women all the time, i love cock too much, but if the right female comes along i am well up for it.
So i think that blasts who ever wrote that load of crap theory out of the water from a females point of view.
I understand what your saying and of course its an individual thing but its widely known as a fact that suffering traumatic events as a child can dramatically alter attitudes to sex and your sexuality as you get older and also are more acceptable to different orientations.I for one whole heartedly belief this.
I don't know this chap well, but i know him well enough to know he's fairly intelligent in the intellect and the practical sense
But despite his obvious intellect 7 , he seems to have no real Biological, Social or Psychological reason for why a person is gay..
Camp is only an outward, exaggerated expression of your sexual orientation, it isn't a man yearning to be female or act feminine.
Seeing your parnets have sex, surely causes embarrasment not trauma? good god a kid would have no idea what he/she is seeing, perhaps later in there life when they do have memories, they are more embarassed as they are aware that they saw parents having sex.
Does he have any theories on the Biological reasons for a person being gay 7, that your sexual orientation is simply determined at conception?
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if im well adjusted societys fooked
Bongo, Nothing wrong with being "fooked" :doggy:
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