Just a curiosity I have. Would you have sex with a T-Girl?
Also, are there any T-Girl members amongst us?
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What are your thoughts on Transgender
Would you have sex with a T-Girl?
Yes (Pre-op)
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Yes (post-op)
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No (Pre-op/post-op)
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While I see padds point , I dont think its an intrusion , as long as people don't mention user names of other members , that would be an invasion of privacy and as long as the thread remains civil and not abusive or discriminative in any way then its an interesting subject and one that a lot of people in this country are seriously uneducated had some fantastic conversations with a person from here who has taught me a lot on this subject.
As for me and sleeping with a trans gender ,, well if I'm attracted to someone and the other party is willing well then great ..
I didn't vote because I honestly couldn't say. To me it would depend completely on whether there's a mind meeting there, whether we both want each other. My experiences the last two years or so have taught me that you can never tell where you'll find surprising beauty and intimacy in sex. It's often not where you expect it.
We can't put our heads in the sand and pretend we don't know of the prejudice that exists against those of us who are not straight. It would be an exceptional person who is not affected by this prejudice in one or another way.
I had a 'live and let live' view on GLBT issues in the past. This attitude changed as I met and befriended people through this site, both online and in person, who were not straight. When the attitudes and issues affecting someone else becomes something that is not academic, but influences the life of a dear friend or even a lover, it becomes difficult if not impossible to remain distant.
Bull and I both now feel passionate about the issues that affect you if your sexual orientation doesn't fit the traditional mould. And I'll never say never, because to me it's about that mysterious 'click' which has to be present for me to enjoy sex, not about sexual orientation.
Boo.
Sex God
I Have to say I dont Like this thread as I feel its objectifying Transgender people. I will answer the second part of the post though, there are Transgrander members on the site but I am not sure you'll have much audience from them starting threads like this.
This thread serves absolutely no purpose, other than to objectify the transgenderd members on this site.
Does the OP have any understanding of what exactly the term Transgender means?
I am shocked at the terminology in the poll, and honestly surprised that the thread has been allowed to flourish!
The thread is by it's very nature discrimitive ,is the OP suggesting that a transgenderd person is defined by wether or not another wishes to bed them?
Lovebird the reason I am objecting to the thread is because I feel the OP is sexualy objectifying members of the Trans community.
The original heading ' What are your thoughts on Transgender' led me to believe it was a discussion on the subject, then I clicked and a poll heading 'Would you have sex with a T-Girl'
Now for years Transpeople and the LGBT community have struggled to rid society of the notion that it is okay to ask inappropriate sexual questions about Transgenderd, such as the one asked in this poll..
Transgender is the questioning of a persons gender idenity, or sexual identity determined at birth, this should not be used as a thread heading asking about sexual preferences..
Did the OP stop to think how a Trans person on this site, would feel before he opened the thread?
When I read the question, I chose to see it as a challenge to all of us to think through hidden prejudices we still harbour, which me might not even know of if we don't picture ourselves in this situation.
On a site such as this one I think it's especially important that we discuss, challenge attitudes, and look inward where we might not have if these questions had not been asked. I choose to overlook a slight lack of tact or diplomacy for the opportunity to bring this into the open.
It's easy to glibly say the right thing and profess you'd not discriminate, but if you were faced with a situation where you got to know someone and like them, then found out this person is pre/post-op transgender, do you think you've overcome your prejudice enough for it not to matter? Do you really?
Thinking this through is important. It gives us all an opportunity to find prejudice in our hearts we weren't even aware of, and change before we hurt someone else who already carries a burden through the sexual orientation they were born with which no one of us who is straight can even begin to comprehend.
I understand why many have found the question offensive, but try to use this thread to increase understanding instead of shooting it down.
I'd so love to hear from any trans people on the site - is the term 'T-girl' offensive? Educate us on how we can make your lives easier. I'd really like to know, and where else can we ask?
Goldenknicks, I absolutely understand what you're saying, but in Declan's defence, this is a site where inappropriate sexual questions are asked: shaven or unshaven? Best position for orgasm? Do you like giving head? Not precisely what you'd ask at your grandmother's tea party.
I personally also wish they'd bring education on and insight into all the 'different' sexual orientations and the challenges they face, into schools. Understanding and tolerance is easier to grow if you plant the seeds in childhood.
Boo.
Inappropriate questions of a sexual nature get asked on here all the time, some are deliberate and aimed at getting a reaction and some are genuine, not meant to cause offence, but do, I think from genuine curious people it comes down to how the question is presented.
Very few know very little about transgenders, and I dont think the thread was started to cause offence,but I often wonder in our quest to protect those we feel are penalised by society because of their sexuality or gender, do we over protect them and stiffle any form of discussion??
I myself would never be offended if a guy asked or put a poll up asking would I have sex with another woman or would a guy have sex with another guy, moreso if that person is curious about their own sexual desires and is trying to gauge is he among many or a few.
We all learn to understand and accept the sexual part of ourselves through getting information from others. This is a sexual question, and everyone who is part of our community here, transgender, transexual, cross dresser, straight, bi, lesbian, and gay should never feel they are being objectified. These names are just labels and dont reflect the person as a whole, to want to have sex with anyone, well that comes down to chemistry and attraction from both sides, irrelevent of what label we wear.
Whilst most people have made valid reasons in relation to this thread, I still believe that it is offensive towards Transgenders.
For what ever reason the OP decided to post this thread, He must of realised that it could and possibly has offended fellow users.
Yes there are other Polls in the threads, but to compare this to other Polls would not be entirely correct. This thread in my eyes has pinpointed a small minority of fellow users on the site and ridicules them!!
Maybe if the OP would comment on the reasoning for this thread, that might clarify the matter.
Padds
I accept all of your points as valid, but it is important to remember that the term T-Girl is used in exactly the same derogatory fashion as Tranny, She-Male ect.. by many who see a Transwoman as not the norm in society..
I don't feel I am molly coddlingly friends by challenging the use of these terms, and by objecting to the thread and the format it is in, I am not trying to squash debate.
Boo yes there are many threads opened, that would not be discussed at a tea-party, and yes we should use threads to encourage dialogue and education, but I wonder if the OP had of asked 'Would you have sex with a Queer Guy' would there have been more of an uproar?
Firstly I would say Padds, that just by us being here as part of this community that makes us all a minority , only a small percentage of ppl are swingers in Ireland, now within this community there are many different sexual orientations, and only a few genders, and yes I mean transgender female and male, but we are all equal, and therefore are treated equally . Your perception is your reality as is mine, therefore you are finding it offensive and I don’t, but as a pervious poster said it would be interesting to see one of our transwomen members make a post and highlight her feelings on this matter,but I also agree I would like to see the OP come back and make a further comment as to his quest with the poll.
As to transwomen, that is something I have learned today, I always thought it was transgender or transsexual, but do all transwomen find those words offensive? Personally I know lesbians and gays who use the words and queer, so again I think that comes down to ones individual perception on the matter, and as none of us current posters are transwomen, I don’t think any of us including myself are truly qualified to judge if this thread has caused offence or not.
Sherri valid point. And mostly all valid points so far.
There are transgender members of this site whom I consider my friends. I also have a very good friend in the off-site world who is transgender. Much more understanding is needed in regard to transgender issues. I just don't think this particular poll is serving that end. if someone had posted "I'm thinking of possibly having sex with a transgender person. Any thoughts?" This may have lead to more appropriate discussion an a specific matter. This poll, however, is more like a referendum on the approval of an entire group of people in society. A group which, unfortunately, gets a lot of tough breaks in the world already.
my half penny...
Sherri,
As I previously mentioned, all users points have been noted. I am not going to get into a debacle on this, nor do I want to fall out with any user or even the OP over the thread.
The POLL should not be there! It's wrong and as Epony rightly pointed out it gives other users the impression that it's some kind of a vote!
It is aimed at a minority of fellow users on the site, and I think and I repeat this thread "appears to ridicule"
I see the OP apologised to my post, it's not me he should be apologising to! but to the Users that he may of upset, I am sure his post was not intended to do so.
But like I mentioned in my previous post, maybe its time for a comment from him?
Padds
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As I previously mentioned, all users points have been noted. I am not going to get into a debacle on this, nor do I want to fall out with any user or even the OP over the thread.
The POLL should not be there! It's wrong and as Epony rightly pointed out it gives other users the impression that it's some kind of a vote!
It is aimed at a minority of fellow users on the site, and I think and I repeat this thread "appears to ridicule"
I see the OP apologised to my post, it's not me he should be apologising to! but to the Users that he may of upset, I am sure his post was not intended to do so.
But like I mentioned in my previous post, maybe its time for a comment from him?
Padds
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D'oh!
Sorry about the hornets nest i shook up here ladies and gents. I honestly had no idea it would cause such a stir.
Looking back, maybe i should not made it a poll, and should have used different wording.
I used the term "T-girl" beacuse i actually thought that was the common, non formal name that people used. I am familiar with a person from another site who calls herself a "t-girl" so i just thought it was the norm.
I apologise for my ignorance and as i have stated, I never set out to cause offence.
I was just curious on the subject and because Im not entirely sure of the society rules, for lack of a better term, on this site, I thought id just ask.
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I've removed the poll, whilst I think its ok to discuss preferences here I do believe that there's very often confusion about transexauality, many people confuse TV/TS/TG there are very big differences and some very clear legal definitions, although these vary depending upon where you live.
I don't usually post links to our other sites but I'm making an exception in this case as this article is pretty informative and relevant to this thread http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/shm/transgender.html
Its debatable whether people of a certain gender should be objectified in this post, significantly because it is an underrepresented group on the site. However, I think it did give some interesting food for thought and room for discussion as negative views need to be highlighted so that oppressed groups can become more socially accepted, i personally enjoyed reading the information here so that i can become more open minded to all types of people,
Personally its all about the person for me, male, female or transgender.
Jayo,
You probably joined this thread after the debacle!
" Each to their own?" As members of this site, yes we are all entitled to that.
Your above remark is in itself in my eyes is a judgement!
Moving forward, if we where infact to be " each to their own" would there be a site?
I rest my case
You probably joined this thread after the debacle!
" Each to their own?" As members of this site, yes we are all entitled to that.
Your above remark is in itself in my eyes is a judgement!
Moving forward, if we where infact to be " each to their own" would there be a site?
I rest my case
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i can only some it up as i do with most things i come across with in this site, each to their own!!
Dora,,
Well said,,, I have not had the pleasure of meeting you yet, but look forward to that day.
You are an inspiration and an asset too the site, for my part, I want too give you a big ((((( hug))))))
Padds
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Well said,,, I have not had the pleasure of meeting you yet, but look forward to that day.
You are an inspiration and an asset too the site, for my part, I want too give you a big ((((( hug))))))
Padds
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I was born with a strong feminine side...i didnt know it at the time but when i wore my sisters communion dress and a wig --with lovely ribbons -- she had from santy at age five and looked in the mirror, i knew that i was a girl in a different body...i hid it from my parents as i was too afraid to say anything as they might think i was the 'devil' ......as a growing child i tried to stop this urge to be a girl but it wouldnt go away... i was caught 2ce, by my mother, wearing her stockings the 1st time and her see thru nitie another time when i was 9 years old and 11 years old respectfully ending up in total ridicule.....i had my 1st sexual experience at age 13 with my boyfriend.. i wore a white slip and was the passive one ... he didnt want to be with a trans person ( not that he knew what that meant at the time ) and that became a bad experience.. i tried to stop thru my teens but i always wore very femme unisex clothing as it felt right....eventually i emigrated to the USA and there i was exposed to my 1st experience with the transgender world.. it was like the ugly duckling saw the image of the swan in the waters reflection...i was home and this time i accepted it as it wasnt going to go away....those of you who have met me know how happy i am to be a girl.....and here i am.. still struggling and trying to make ends meet as we all have to do...this site has been a wonderful positive to me and i thank the friends i have made here so much for accepting me ..love ye all guys and girls...the reason im writing this is so the OP can have an insite into the history of one irish transgendered person, and for educational purposes.... little did i know that 'I'wasnt the only person in the world with this 'scurge'/ 'gift'... there are millions around the world....as far as the names we are called....'tranny'...'tgirl'... 'slut'...'shemale'...'ladyboy'...etc.. well what can i say.. iv heard them all but i am who i am whatever you call me.. the one thing id like you to remember is that we are human beings as well ...its what we were born with and have to learn and deal with...
Sex God
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Bravo Dora, well Said, 
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